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		<title>By: rottweiler2</title>
		<link>http://biglibertyblog.com/2009/01/27/obesity-virus-its-old-news/#comment-741</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Null study?  Yes.  Yet look at something from the Abstract that obviously did not make someone or many someones not too happy:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;RESULTS: Significant (P&lt;0.001) association of obesity and positive Ad-36 antibody status, independent of age, sex, and collection site. Ad-36 antibodies in 30% of obese, 11% of nonobese. &lt;b&gt;Lower serum cholesterol and triglycerides (P&lt;0.003) in Ad-36 antibody-positive vs -negative subjects. Twin pairs: antibody-positive twins had higher BMIs (24.5plusminus5.2 vs 23.1plusminus4.5 kg/m2, P&lt;0.03) and %body fat (29.6plusminus9.5% vs 27.5plusminus9.9%, P&lt;0.04). No association of Ad-2, Ad-31, or Ad-37 antibodies with BMI or serum lipids.

CONCLUSIONS: Ad-36 is associated with increased body weight &lt;em&gt;and lower serum lipids&lt;/em&gt; in humans. Prospective studies are indicated to determine if Ad-36 plays a role in the etiology of human obesity.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Only ONE of the strains of the adenovirus (Ad-36) did much of anything for either BMI or serum lipids.  And what it did?  Well...

1.)  Note &quot;Ye paradoxe&quot;:  Ad-36 is associated with some people becoming fatter than &quot;desirable&quot;.  What else usually is associated with overweight/obesity and is equally feared [and IMHO overtreated for a profit] itself?

That&#039;s right:  &quot;Cholesterol&quot; (serum lipid) numbers that are &quot;too high&quot; (and are just as full of bull**** as BMI, but I digress...)

Hmmm...what the research indicates here is that nobody needs to lose weight and/or eat a lousy, low-fat (low-taste) low-calorie diet and/or take nasty pills to lower those serum &quot;cholesterol&quot; levels.  No siree!  All anyone needs to do is &quot;catch&quot; this Human adenovirus-36 (Ad-36).  

2.)  Also note how neatly this researcher danced around the obvious conclusion! The focus is, in so many words, &quot;We need to find out if this virus makes people get fat.&quot;  Not &quot;We need to find out if this Ad-36 would be the &quot;silver bullet&quot; to &quot;control cholesterol.&quot;, which is what one might have expected.

Indeed, an entire Russian ballet troupe could dance no better during a performance of &quot;Swan Lake&quot; than this &quot;scholar&quot; did around the &quot;inconvenient&quot; finding.  :P

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Null study?  Yes.  Yet look at something from the Abstract that obviously did not make someone or many someones not too happy:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;RESULTS: Significant (P&lt;0.001) association of obesity and positive Ad-36 antibody status, independent of age, sex, and collection site. Ad-36 antibodies in 30% of obese, 11% of nonobese. </b><b>Lower serum cholesterol and triglycerides (P&lt;0.003) in Ad-36 antibody-positive vs -negative subjects. Twin pairs: antibody-positive twins had higher BMIs (24.5plusminus5.2 vs 23.1plusminus4.5 kg/m2, P&lt;0.03) and %body fat (29.6plusminus9.5% vs 27.5plusminus9.9%, P&lt;0.04). No association of Ad-2, Ad-31, or Ad-37 antibodies with BMI or serum lipids.</p>
<p>CONCLUSIONS: Ad-36 is associated with increased body weight <em>and lower serum lipids</em> in humans. Prospective studies are indicated to determine if Ad-36 plays a role in the etiology of human obesity.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Only ONE of the strains of the adenovirus (Ad-36) did much of anything for either BMI or serum lipids.  And what it did?  Well&#8230;</p>
<p>1.)  Note &#8220;Ye paradoxe&#8221;:  Ad-36 is associated with some people becoming fatter than &#8220;desirable&#8221;.  What else usually is associated with overweight/obesity and is equally feared [and IMHO overtreated for a profit] itself?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right:  &#8220;Cholesterol&#8221; (serum lipid) numbers that are &#8220;too high&#8221; (and are just as full of bull**** as BMI, but I digress&#8230;)</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;what the research indicates here is that nobody needs to lose weight and/or eat a lousy, low-fat (low-taste) low-calorie diet and/or take nasty pills to lower those serum &#8220;cholesterol&#8221; levels.  No siree!  All anyone needs to do is &#8220;catch&#8221; this Human adenovirus-36 (Ad-36).  </p>
<p>2.)  Also note how neatly this researcher danced around the obvious conclusion! The focus is, in so many words, &#8220;We need to find out if this virus makes people get fat.&#8221;  Not &#8220;We need to find out if this Ad-36 would be the &#8220;silver bullet&#8221; to &#8220;control cholesterol.&#8221;, which is what one might have expected.</p>
<p>Indeed, an entire Russian ballet troupe could dance no better during a performance of &#8220;Swan Lake&#8221; than this &#8220;scholar&#8221; did around the &#8220;inconvenient&#8221; finding.  <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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Off-topic:  I am &#8220;observer&#8221; of &#8220;Intelligent Protocol&#8221;, (www.intelligentprotocol.blogspot.com) ; &#8220;rottweiler2&#8243; is my nick here at WordPress.com.</p>
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		<title>By: vesta44</title>
		<link>http://biglibertyblog.com/2009/01/27/obesity-virus-its-old-news/#comment-740</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article I read also put in those little kickers about overeating being another main cause of &quot;obesity&quot; and that all fat people need to do is eat a little less and exercise more in order to get to a &quot;normal&quot; weight. I don&#039;t know why the hell they&#039;re pushing this crap, unless it&#039;s because fewer people are buying into the &quot;it&#039;s not a diet, it&#039;s a lifestyle change, and you&#039;ll get thin and your life will magically be perfect when you get thin&quot;. Are they that afraid of fat people that they have to keep dredging up old, debunked research to scare us into dieting forever?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article I read also put in those little kickers about overeating being another main cause of &#8220;obesity&#8221; and that all fat people need to do is eat a little less and exercise more in order to get to a &#8220;normal&#8221; weight. I don&#8217;t know why the hell they&#8217;re pushing this crap, unless it&#8217;s because fewer people are buying into the &#8220;it&#8217;s not a diet, it&#8217;s a lifestyle change, and you&#8217;ll get thin and your life will magically be perfect when you get thin&#8221;. Are they that afraid of fat people that they have to keep dredging up old, debunked research to scare us into dieting forever?</p>
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